#184 How Parents Unknowingly Derail Career Launches with Kolby Goodman Transcript

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Lisa Marker-Robbins 1:06
are you worried your young adult might graduate and still feel lost when it comes to landing that first real job? It’s more common than you think, and well meaning pairs often make it harder without even realizing it, as competition for entry level roles intensifies and traditional job search strategies fall flat. Today’s young adults need more than just a diploma. They need a modern game plan that supports and builds confidence instead of pressure. I’m joined by Colby Goodman, a Career Strategist and job search expert who helps new grads stand out in today’s job market. We explore the common ways that parents unintentionally slow down their students job search, how to shift from controlling to coaching and practical ways to build empathy while guiding your young person toward career success. If you’ve ever felt stuck between nudging your teen forward and worrying your push too hard, the episode we have today will help you strike the right balance. I’m Lisa marker Robbins, and I want to welcome you to College and Career Clarity, a flourish coaching production. Let’s dive right into a great conversation.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 2:18
Colby, welcome to the show. It’s so great to have you here.

Kolby Goodman 2:21
Lisa, thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited to talk to you today. Oh, this is so

Lisa Marker-Robbins 2:25
fun. So we both really have this passion around setting kids up for success and career, but we kind of serve different areas of this, what I call a career advising. I mean, I don’t know what do you call what you

Kolby Goodman 2:42
do, career advising, career coaching, yeah, just help. I mean, basically it’s the help that I needed when I was 2223 that I definitely did not get. Yeah,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 2:54
amen to that, right? I know seriously. So, yeah, I call it career advising, career career coaching. I think career development to me is like lifelong, right? I often get people say to me, Well, how can we make a decision to me, AI is so rapidly changing, and things are going to change and and they say that to me all the time, and I’m like, Well, I made a decision at 18 of a path to go down, and I can’t even imagine 30 plus years later that I’m able to do what I could do. I mean, the internet did not exist in my home when I went to college. But yet, if I, if you believe career development is lifelong, then we’re going to be equipped to do that next job. So we’ve got to have an avid attitude of growth. So okay, so you are like, Well, I’m I always say I want the career confused kiddo sure whether they’re 15, whether they’re in high school or graduated from high school and just kind of have a job but not a career, or gone to college. I want that career confused kiddo to help them figure out, like, Okay, what, what am I going to do? Like, what do I want to double down on? And then once they know what they’re going to double down on you, that’s kind of where you step in, describe, describe, for people, what you do.

Kolby Goodman 4:15
So I am here to help your child figure out how to play the game of getting meaningful work after graduation, not to settle for something that had nothing to do with their degree, or is vastly underpaid, or, I would say worse, didn’t even require them to go to college in the first place, because they go to school and they get a lot of good knowledge and they got a lot of exposure. But unfortunately, this is the class that just isn’t offered, and that’s where I helped kind of fill in that gap.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 4:43
Absolutely, yeah, I call sometimes there’s so many different paths. We recently revised our course, and one of the changes we made was module five became a choose your own adventure. And what I meant by that was, which is kind of fun, but let’s. And two in module five has an A, B, C or D, and it’s like, A is for the people that are like, yes, I want to go to four year college module or 2b is, I’m thinking about like two year community college, associate’s degree, that kind of thing. And then three and four are other paths, like, you know, employer training and stacked credentials and military and trade schools and all the other things. So I think there’s more people that are college curious right now, and it’s okay, right? So

Kolby Goodman 5:39
absolutely, I think it’s, you know, I grew up in an integration where it’s like, that’s what you did. You just went to college. Yeah, right. But I think nowadays, with the access to technology, with the access to learning, doesn’t happen inside of a physical classroom anymore. It happens with tiny computers in our pockets, right? And I think there’s so much more options, and there’s so many more paths, which I think what you and I are serving is it that with that there’s so much more confusion and questions, and so, you know, giving those families and those emerging professionals some clarity so that they can start their careers excited, instead of completely lost and nervous?

Lisa Marker-Robbins 6:14
So one of the things when we met, we had a mutual friend introduce us, and so we should tell everybody we met about a month before we decided, hey, well, we decided right away we got to record a podcast. But now here we are, 30 days later, the podcast. And one of the things that you said to me was, well meaning, parents are often undermining kids success, and I’m going to add to that, like I’ve seen, because we start as young as 15 working on this career advising and coaching space. Because, quite frankly, if you start earlier, I don’t want people to start earlier than that, but if you start earlier, there’s a lot more ease and flow. Hurry, hurry, right? So I’m going to extend well meaning people, even in my world, to school counselors, sometimes, or teachers. Oh, you’re a math whiz, you’ve got to be an engineer. I mean, well meaning, right? But that’s there’s more to being an engineer than being good at math. So what like, what’s the number one mistake you think that a well meaning parent makes

Kolby Goodman 7:24
putting their kid down what they think is a safe path, I think that the joke is, you know, engineer, doctor, lawyer, right? Like that’s safe, it’s high paying, it’s always in demand. And I think helping you know, getting your kids set up to play safe and to play the odds really meshes well with what they really feel like they want to do in their brain, in their heart and in their soul. Because I think it’s easy as a 22 year old, as an 18 year old, as a 15 year old, to go in and get your head down and work really hard at a thing, but I come across so many young professionals who finally come up for air after school is over, and they say, I hated that you couldn’t pay me a million dollars a year to do that again, to to work as an engineer or to go to law school. And so I think it’s parents who are obviously, again, want the best, are well meaning, but are so scared of unemployment, or so scared of technology or, well,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 8:26
that’s what I was going to say. Like, what do you think like playing it safe? What are they actually afraid might happen? So, is it about unemployment?

Kolby Goodman 8:35
It’s about unemployment. It’s about feasibility of future, right? Like, I don’t, I don’t think any parent wants their kid to grow up to be a barista with an art degree. But I think that the Overcompensation of that and that fear is then driving parents to say, well, you you have to choose from one of these three things, because it’s safe, because it’s, quote, unquote, guaranteed, even though nothing is. And I think by by pigeonholing your child line that way, you’re you’re at risk of having them develop a ton of resentment. You’re going to invest a lot of time and energy into something that’s going to come out to nothing, and you ultimately put your child way behind their peers who have maybe had these conversations, gotten some guidance from people like yourself, and are coming out of college, excited to face the challenges that they’ve chosen for the next 40 years of their career.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 9:27
Yeah, you know, I as a mom, so we talked before you have littles, I have bigs. Mine are all launched and living life and 20s to 30s, and what I got into a conversation was recently at the National Career Development Association Annual Conference, and I some lady sat down next to me, and we both had a badge on that made us start a conversation. And we started talking, and I’ve seen and she. It just resonated so clearly with her that this fear of pushing your kid too hard or pulling them along can fracture the relationship. And so you’ve got people over here that are doing nothing out of fear of a fractured relationship long term. And then you’ve got a group over here that they are like, pulling and pushing, like people are stuck, like I don’t want to pull or push and I don’t want to do nothing. But even though sometimes we have kids that are paralyzed in this state, I say parents paralyzed,

Kolby Goodman 10:38
I think there’s you’re right there. There we were. So in dated with the term helicopter parent over the last 20 years that I think we’ve been doctoral. I don’t want to be that person. I don’t want to show up to class. I don’t want to show up to a job interview, which I know there’s a ton of reports about. I think it’s about finding that healthy balance, right? Because too often I see parents who are sending their children off to college and saying, cool, they’re going to that institution is going to take care of the classes and take care of, you know, their social life, and they’re going to take care of getting them prepped for the quote, unquote, real world once they cross the stage in that cap and gown. That complete hands off approach is just as devastating, if not more, than being totally hands on and super controlling. Because it’s not the schools know it’s not their job to get your kid employed. It’s their job to get your kid graduated. And I think the parents out there know that college is not life, and life is not college, and so by thinking they’re going to be hands off with it, leaves a lot of really good opportunity left undone and saying, getting a little bit of pressure, or getting some understanding of guidance and potentially providing perspective and experience of your own life to your children, as much as they may dismiss you, because I know I did when I was that age, and I’m sure my little when he becomes a big, will do the same thing. But I think it’s it’s finding that balance. And I, the way that I train my parents how to do that is to, instead of pry, to just get super curious and ask really good questions.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 12:09
Conversation is the key to this. I back in, I think it was April. We recorded in January, but in April, Rick Clark from Georgia Tech was on, and he and Brennan Bernard had, I’ll have to look up, let me look on my computer while we’re in real time to get what, what number episode that was. But he and Brendan Bernard have a great book, and it really is all about curating conversations, and that’s what we teach and launch Career Clarity as well. Yeah, it was episode 169 so if anybody goes to flourish, coachingco.com, forward slash 169 they can hear about that. We give lots of conversation cues, but I love what you said, like it you’ve got to strike a balance, because I think resentment on a kid’s part can creep in if you’re completely hands off, and if you’re controlling but you also said something else that piques my interest, because I took an very informal poll. I don’t think I’ve ever taken, like a scientific poll, so I take all these, you know, very anecdotal, informal polls, and I was doing it for the last year because we were getting ready to revise and enhance our course, and I wanted to get some perspective, and I asked the question, you said, the college views their job as getting your student graduated. And I asked parents and students. I did not ask colleges, but I asked parents and students, over and over again, whether it was in focus groups that I led, whether it was on social media, whether it was reply to my newsletter, whose job is it to get your kid a job to help them figure it out? Do you view it as your job as a parent? Do you view it as your student’s job, or do you view it as the school’s job? And I think when we talk about school, we could say, like high school or college, right? So overwhelmingly, everybody was saying it’s the school’s job. And I had one, I had I had one parent say it’s my kid’s job. And I thought, what a what is the kids know about career advising and all the careers that are possibly out there to find the best fit everybody else literally hands down. No parents said it’s my job. No kids said it was my parents job. So, and you just said something interesting is then the colleges feel like, well, we just need to get your kid, you know, credentialed and graduated, right? Um, high school counselors are not career development advice and career coaching. Um. Professionals and their jobs already overwhelming. My heart goes out to them. It’s hard job. So how do you answer that? Like you

Kolby Goodman 15:07
just, I mean, it’s, it’s the same thing on campus. On college campuses, right? The average, I suppose people that the average ratio of students to career counselor on a traditional four year campus is 1900 to one. So there’s no way that there can be enough personalized approach and support at scale to get your kid reading ready. And the other problem, as much as these professionals are well meaning and are good people, what I have found in my own anecdotal, unscientific research is that a lot of these counselors in the career centers have been in academia their entire lives. Yeah, they went to undergrad, they got their degree, their masters, in counseling or therapy. They worked in incoming freshmen, you know, advising. They worked in academic advising. They worked in grad advising, and now they’re in career advising for a while, for the semester, who knows? And so they’re just not privy to what is happening outside of the walls of these institutions. And so not only are they completely overwhelmed and they just can’t provide the needed attention to each one of these students, they’re also then they don’t have enough exposure or experience outside of what they know to give your child enough perspective to say, this is what to try not to try. This is what you should do or not to do.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 16:23
You know, when I was at the National Career Development Association Conference in Atlanta in June, North I went to a session North Carolina has not only mandated career development at the high school level, but they’re also funding it, but then by County, the county can take that pot of money that they’re given and figure out the framework that they want to use. So it’s not universal across every county, how it’s going to be approached. And there was one county that was presenting there, and I’m going to leave them unnamed, and they’ve worked really hard, and I think they’re doing some really good stuff. But I started to do the math, and it was like, you know, one to 2000 students or so, similar to what you were saying. It’s,

Kolby Goodman 17:13
it’s just hard. I mean, it’s it, it

Lisa Marker-Robbins 17:16
is hard. Do parents? Okay, so if I’m saying parents think that it is the job of the institution, high school or college, and you’re saying, well, they you believe that the schools view their job as getting your kid educated and out. What else are we missing? Like, what other mistakes? So parents probably don’t realize that part and they’re well meaning and they want so some are not pushing hard enough. Some are pushing and pulling too hard. They misunderstand who has ownership in this. What other mistakes do you see well meaning parents making?

Kolby Goodman 17:55
It’s a it is the I would call it’s the holdover from their experience helping their children apply to college, which is, let’s get a four point, you know, 100 GPA, and let’s get hyper involved everywhere. And then we’ll let the employer decide this person is worthy, right? And so it’s, I try to find it as a balance, you like, I don’t want any of my my clients to burn out on trying to get a 4.0 Yeah, doesn’t really matter. Past the first couple years in your professional career, nobody’s going to ask you for your nobody’s asking for your transcripts when you’re 25 or 30. Definitely not when you’re 45 or 50. And I think it’s really about finding that harmony and balance. So I think what the school does really well is it exposes students to a myriad of subjects and interests and technologies that spark interest, and then I think it’s your job as the parent to tell your child to go deep when there’s a spark, right? Journalists don’t make it very far in today’s day and age. So I think encouraging that, and then also to understanding that the the social ties and the relationship development that happens on college campuses is genuinely priceless.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 19:14
Yeah, that, well, at least networking, right?

Kolby Goodman 19:18
Well, exactly, and that’s and I don’t, I don’t really like to use the word networking. I think it has this, it has gotten this ugly connotation. It feels like used car salesmanship a little bit. Yeah. But it’s about, how do you develop genuine relationships, right? And with your peers, with adults for the first time, potentially without them, without the filter of your parent, another adult as you talk to somebody and another adult, and so having that comfortability, and then also getting outside of campus, like, are you interning? Are you volunteering? Are you just, like, developing an interesting story for yourself so that you’re not simply just another paper in the. Stack who got a decent GPA, who took all the right classes?

Lisa Marker-Robbins 20:03
Well, I think, like you make a good point about those real world experiences which employers are demanding. And I would even say, I mean, as long as you have a 3.0 when you’re graduating, I don’t think that you’re going to see many people paying attention to your GPA. I mean, if you’re going going to go on to grad school, you want to go into medical school or law school or physical therapy school, absolutely like you’ve got to aim to be 3.5 or higher, or maybe even way higher than a 3.5 right? But if you are going to go from graduation to employment, I have seen kids not get internships because of like it’s competitive to get internships as real world experiences are important. But on the GPA side, I’ve seen kids with really great real world experiences get opportunities with 3.2 now, okay, I’m not out there telling everybody not to study hard, so please don’t send me hate mail. But I think it’s like really looking at what employers value, and also, like you said something else too about like your bill, you’re building a network. You’re connecting with people, you’re getting comfortable with that. A lot of times, the connections come over something personal as well, before they come over the the I don’t know the career side, right, or the experiences, like, I work at the Humane Society. I don’t, but, yeah, somebody works at the Humane Society.

Kolby Goodman 21:41
I think that diving into those personal passions, I think, you know, you you a student, will leave high school and go to college and start to spread those wings. And I think giving them the fuel and the excitement to say, yeah, go, go join that club, go into that organization, run for a leadership position, you know, later on down the line, like, get involved, do something. Like, if your nose is in a book for four years, that’s where there’s so much pain and suffering happening after graduation for a lot of my clients there. And so what I call it is finding a harmony, right? Like, yeah, yeah. Like, I don’t, you know, getting a 4.0 with ownership isn’t good, but also getting a 2.0 with a ton of ownerships isn’t good either. So finding a balance, so that you come out with a good story and with something tangible to show your next employer, not simply what you can do, but how can you help them solve problems?

Lisa Marker-Robbins 22:38
Yeah, what? Okay, so you’ve talked about how, like these well meaning parents are not giving enough advice, or they’re or they’re push boxing their kids in. Is it out of fear? Right? All of it, whether it’s the emotional side or it’s the what job they should choose. And it’s interesting. We just had a an episode on if people it was with Melissa Mulligan, and it We haven’t decided what number episode it is, or no, it just came out, I’m sorry. And hers was about, like, if your kid wants a career in music, I’m looking for what episode number it was. Episode 179 so flourish, coachingco.com forward slash, 179 she what a music myth is your kid should major in something other than music while they’re in college, and that that is much to the relief of many parents, by the way, who want the safe option. But if those are the fears and the and the kind of undermining or the mistakes they’re making, what do parents and I, I feel like, what what do my peers? And I’m so close to career advising, I don’t I think I’m too close to answer this question myself. What do you see parents when the kids are actually going out to get a job like you’re you Colby, are working with the graduate who’s trying to get the job. What do parents not get about that process? What do they maybe misunderstand? Yeah,

Kolby Goodman 24:11
well, it is a literal and figurative different world out there, right? Like your kid is no longer looking in the back of the newspaper for a job, they’re not literally going to a physical job board with bulletins and pins somewhere to look for opportunities, right? Which is great because there’s so much opportunity, but is a complete nightmare hellscape because there’s so much noise, and so the the misunderstanding, and I think the the unconscious lack of empathy for these young people as they’re coming out and swimming totally upstream

Lisa Marker-Robbins 24:48
so the parents, so what you’re seeing is the parents are recalling their experience, and you believe that it was easier for. It was a less saturated, less noisy landscape to land a job. And therefore, when their kid is having a hard time with it, you think there’s a real lack of empathy.

Kolby Goodman 25:14
And I don’t think it’s the I don’t do anything on purpose. They just,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 25:18
I mean, we love our kids, right?

Kolby Goodman 25:21
It’s that, what is the landscape now, right? Like, don’t quote me on the exact number, but I think the class of 2025, had about 2.75 to 3 million new graduates this year. It’s the highest it’s ever been in US history. And next year will be higher than that year. So they’ll be higher than that, right? And so the competition is extremely fierce. We are in this AI fog right now where companies are coming out and saying we’re not higher entry level, because we can give those tasks to an algorithm that will do it cheaper and faster. And I think we’re coming out of a bit of a COVID haze too, a little bit at this point in time where we’re still trying to get out from underneath lockdown. We’re still trying to, like, get our sea legs about us, about going out there and doing, you know, exposing ourselves to the real world, so to speak. And so it’s not simply, just as simple as going out there and getting a job. You’re the degree that the degrees that are giving out today are no longer get a job free cards, like they used to be 1520, 30 years ago,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 26:29
and so like on this lack of empathy. How do you because I see it as well. How do you advise a parent? Because I yeah, I always say showing empathy does not mean that you’re in agreement, like we can show empathy for how someone’s feeling. One of one of our kids, I was complaining about something this week, work related, and I sort of in my brain. The brain part was like, Yeah, I mean, that stinks. Well, you’ll have to take care of that. But I knew that they were frustrated and they were having a bad week for it, so I just was like, That has got to stink, right? I can’t imagine how hard that is. Like that doesn’t mean, oh, I agree, or I would be feeling the same way. So my thing that I tell parents is showing empathy does not mean that you’re in agreement. Now, what did what practical advice do you give parents when it comes to the empathy piece?

Kolby Goodman 27:39
I think the first thing to realize is that it’s not by lack of effort. Ah, because I a lot of parents equate lack of success with lack of effort. And the reason they assume that is because, for the first, I don’t, 20 ish years of their child’s life, it has been equated, study hard, get good grades. That was how it’s been. That’s how the formula has been.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 28:06
That’s how the formula has been for getting into college. That actually no longer works either.

Kolby Goodman 28:10
Yeah. And so the formula is broken, and so there’s judgment there about, well, if you just worked harder, if you just applied for more jobs, if you just knocked on more doors, we wouldn’t be in this problem anymore, yeah, and that’s as far the truth, as far from the truth as possible. So I think understanding that, I’ll read it again, effort does not equal success. So give your give your kid a little bit of credit. And I still would also say too, is that then it’s your job as a parent to understand the strategy and then give perspective on the strategy.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 28:43
You know, yeah, go ahead. It’s

Kolby Goodman 28:46
rarely more of anything that makes the change for a young professional, it is the how. And I think, like we said before,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 28:54
hey, that, say that again, it’s not about doing what they’re doing more. It’s really about changing how they’re doing it to get different results.

Kolby Goodman 29:03
Yeah, volume versus strategy. Yeah, right.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 29:07
You know, that goes back to like what you said, if you’re going to try to understand their strategy, this is about having a conversation like you said it earlier, and I referenced, you know, we we suggest what Rick and Brennan suggest, like it is gathering around, whether it’s a pizza or whatever. I mean, if they’re a young adult, you might not be making them dinner anymore, but having those looking for opportunities to have those conversations and getting curious.

Kolby Goodman 29:39
So you took the words right on my mouth. There, Lisa is my two language hacks for having good, empathetic conversations are starting every sentence as much as possible with, I’m just curious, dot, dot, dot, and then make your statement or ask the question, or, Hey, help me understand statement or question. Those two things, get the recipient from. Being defensive to then being the expert and informing the audience. And so you can say, hey, like, Help me understand. Like, what is it like? What is it like out there? What are you seeing? Or, like, what is that first hour every day look like? Or, Hey, I’m just curious. Like, what are you trying differently than everybody else? Like, just kind of get some curiosity.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 30:21
Yeah, that’s a question. Even I always say to myself, like, if I think a statement and, and if my kids are listening to this, I know I’m don’t nail this 100% but I try to, instead of making a statement, I try to turn all those statements into questions. Yeah, yeah.

Kolby Goodman 30:36
I think that’s a that’s because it’s assumption, the the assumption cliche is true, right? If you assume it, it makes an A out of you and me, and so the more that you can empathize and understand, the better. And I think what that will do is it will help your children come back to you more and more when there are bigger, bigger problems, because finding a job at a college is a problem, but it’s not the biggest one they’re ever going to have. It’s a first world problem. Yes, absolutely, it is, absolutely a problem of privilege and so but if you are not understanding, if you are judgmental, if you make assumptions in this, and your kid knows that they’re not going to come to you for anything bigger and more consequential for the rest of their lives. So I think, Well,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 31:27
I think that, like, you just talked about strategy, like, don’t just keep doing more of something that, like, concentrate on your how to have a strategy. Like, we started at the beginning talking about, like, you’ve got people over here. I love continuum. You’ve got the people over here that are scared to death to do anything because they’re afraid it’s going to strap it’s going to fracture the relationship ongoing. And then you’ve got the ones over here that, out of their fears, are boxing their kid into maybe a few different safe jobs from their own perception. But even what you just said, like the people who are having conversations, you could have a strategy of not doing the conversations correctly either. That’s still going to lead to fracture, right?

Kolby Goodman 32:11
Yeah, yeah. And I think these parents, I feel for them. You’ve been there. I will get there eventually, but it’s hard to parent adults.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 32:19
Yes, it is, and they still need parenting. We all need parenting. I still need my parents. Yes,

Kolby Goodman 32:24
yes. And so I think, as there’s growing pains with with your child, as they enter into adulthood, understand too, like you got stuff to learn too. Yeah, right. This might not be your first rodeo, but it’s, this is your this is a different cowboy, so to speak, as my dad used to say, and so making sure that you’re treating this human, that you change their diaper of 20 years ago, that they are humans too. They’re adults. And so coming with that curiosity, doing your best to check your judgment at the door, and then just understand. Because I think once you get the conversation going, you’ll be able to give perspective. You’ll be able to, you know, provide caring and loving and get them to just have a shoulder to cry on, and doors will open like, I think that’s the big thing here, and it’s something I really encourage. That’s why I love working with these families, because I do work with families, right? I don’t work just with a student in a vacuum.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 33:24
Yeah, I mean, we say the same thing. We’re like, parents are welcome as well as the students in our course to come to those live Q and A, like, it’s a family journey to launch these kiddos. And so I love the strategy that you’re coming at it with. So Colby, tell me this as we wrap up. Yeah, if people want to do that, how better? Instead of just doing more, you are working with students who have some degree of Career Clarity to help them land that first job. How do they get in touch with you if they want to work on their strategy for that?

Kolby Goodman 34:00
Yeah. So if you’ve spent the last 2030, minutes here thinking, you know, my kid is smart, they’re capable, but I’m a little bit concerned for their future, they, you know, are having trouble getting internships, or maybe your kid has crossed the stage and they’re just not getting anywhere with their careers, you’re not alone. This is why I love doing what I’m doing, and it’s exactly the things I solve in my coaching program, employment, graduation. I work with college students and new college graduates and their families to author go in meaningful, career oriented and well paying roles. This is all without having to send hundreds, if not 1000s of blind applications, praying and hoping that they get picked out of the stack, or, like I said before, worse, kind of settling for something that is well below their intelligence and their passion level. If this sounds like something you and your family could use right now, I’d love to have, goodness me, I thought, and then sprint edit this. I’m

Lisa Marker-Robbins 34:58
assuming. Can. Well, we’re gonna put your we’re gonna put all of your contact information in the show notes, for sure. Cool. What’s your what’s your website or your email?

Kolby Goodman 35:07
Go to employ by graduation.com/pod pod. That’ll make sure that you guys, I know that you guys came to me through Lisa’s podcast. Oh, and thank you for having me on here, Lisa, it’s been really great conversation. I want to leave your audience with one more thing? Yeah. I funnily think that we have been asking our young people the wrong question when it comes to their careers. Historically, we’ve asked them, What do you wanna do when you grow up? Yeah. And I think that the wrong word in there is, do I think you and I know, and the parents out there. Know the doing of the work is pretty straightforward. I would say, if I, if I, if my job title was what I did all day, I’d be professional, professional meeting identity and a professional email responder. But what really gets me going, and what I think can be a game changer in the conferences your parents have with their children, is ask them, what problems do you want to solve? Yep,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 36:02
we ask that all the time. What gets you excited to go solve? Yeah, yeah, love it. Well, you and I are solving different sides of the same problem, and I that’s why I love meeting people like you that we all are really aimed at successfully launching these kids to go out and change the world. So Colby, thanks for coming on the show.

Kolby Goodman 36:25
Absolutely. I appreciate the opportunity.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 36:33
Colby shared so many helpful insights on how parents can move from unintentionally getting in the way to becoming the support system their young person actually needs remember it’s not about doing more. It’s about doing things differently with empathy and strategy. If you want to spark meaningful dialog with your family with conversation starters like, what problem do you want to solve in your career? Be sure to sign up for our weekly newsletter. Each week you’ll get a fresh prompt to help you guide with confidence and connection. Join us at flourish coachingco.com, forward slash newsletter to start having the conversations that launch successful careers. And a quick reminder, if you want to see the voices behind the mics, or if video is your preferred format, many of our episodes are now on YouTube. Subscribe to our channel at flourish coaching co just like our website, you.

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