#202 How to Raise Curious, Future-Ready Teens – with Kami Wanous Transcript

THIS IS AN AUTOMATED TRANSCRIPT… PLEASE FORGIVE THE TYPOS & GRAMMAR! xo-Lisa.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 1:06
Are you noticing that your young person is becoming more of a box checker than a curious learner? When grades, deadlines and school or work pressure take over, that natural spark for learning can fade fast and with it the confidence they’re going to need to thrive as young adult. Lifelong Learning isn’t just a warm, fuzzy idea. It’s one of the most powerful predictors of success after high school, whether your child is college bound, heading into the trades or figuring things out, the ability to stay curious, adapt and problem solve is essential in today’s world. That’s why I’m thrilled to welcome kami wanas to the show. Kami is the creator of the Freedom scholar and a powerhouse in helping families cultivate a culture of learning, especially in the homeschooling community. Though her insights apply to every single household that I’m familiar with. She’s brilliant at helping parents shift from how do we get through this assignment to how do we raise our kid to take ownership of their growth in our conversation, we’re going to look at what kills a love of learning how to revive it, and why lifelong learners are the ones who become leaders in college career and life. Isn’t that what we all want? We also explore what’s at risk. We don’t create this culture and how simple shifts at home can fuel curiosity, confidence and future readiness. I’m Lisa Marker Robbins, and I want to welcome you to College and Career Clarity, a flourish, coaching, production. Let’s dive right into a great conversation. You Hey, Kami , welcome.

Kami Wanous 2:46
Thanks for having me. I’m super excited.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 2:48
I am too okay, we should tell everybody a little bit of our backstory, because it relates exactly to what we’re talking about. So we only just met this year, and I feel like I’ve known you forever, because I think we’re so aligned and so many things. But it was born out of when I made a comment to you and a different session that we were in and I said, Oh, you know, it’s like people forget that career advising or career coaching takes place in and I’m using my little fingers. People on YouTube can see me, but our listeners can’t. It’s like a little place in time on our timeline of life, like boop, we’re doing some career advising or career coaching and like, that’s what I do in my launch Career Clarity. Course. However, the attitude that everybody young adult, teen adult needs to have is career development is lifelong, like you can never stop. I mean, I wouldn’t have a podcast if at 20 something I was like, well, Yep, I got my training, I went to college, I got my degree, and this is what I’m going to do, because the world’s evolving. And you said, Oh my gosh, you I found my people, and so as a home school mom, yourself as a supporter and cheerleader for those that are in the trenches doing something that I was not brave enough to do, tell me how it relates to the work that you’re doing,

Kami Wanous 4:22
yeah, this is great, because I remember this conversation so vividly, and we were so connected on so many places, and we are definitely connected on life long development and so really taking and that begin with the end in mind idea, and so that idea that we’re taking this Vision, and then we’re actually being intentional about what we do, so that we come out with the vision that we have identified with our kids and and with our spouse, and just really taking the clarity that we have in defining it first of all. And I know that you. Do that so amazing with your students and your parents, and then bringing it backwards and making sure that we’re getting there in our journey.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 5:07
I love it. So this idea that you are fostering of lifelong learners, it goes beyond just like we’re educating and I mean, use, you’re a homeschool mom, use your that’s your community, right? But this total topic applies for everybody,

Kami Wanous 5:27
right? So much, yes, it doesn’t even matter, yes. So,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 5:32
like, wherever you’re getting your education, even if you’re just, like, out in the field, getting your education, right, you’re getting some employer based training, or like things like that that we teach. So this, this idea, this concept, that we have to raise lifelong learners. What do you mean? What do you mean by that? Like, because I’m sure some people hear that and they’re like

Kami Wanous 5:53
what, I think a lot of people hear it, and they kind of tune out a little bit because we hear it so often it becomes just, we don’t even think about what it means and what that what that exemplifies. So I think this is a really great question. And I was actually talking about this with my students in my I was teaching a homeschool class, and we’re talking about mission purpose. We’re talking about making intention with their life and their whole life and be. We’re talking about being a lifelong learner, and I said one of the things, because I was actually a classroom teacher for seven years. I taught high school English, and my husband still teaches too, so we’re a very educational family, but one of the things that I really tried to do when I was teaching was to just reignite the spark, reignite the spark of that love of learning. And it was so hard, because they had been in these, this box checking sort of mentality for so long, and they had a lot of them had lost their that love of learning, but a lifelong learner, if I could just spark that spark in their life for something, for me, it was reading. I wanted them to be able to read something that they found interesting. I literally didn’t care what it was, because if they did, maybe someday they’ll read something that matters, that changes their life or somebody else’s life. And that confidence, that love of learning, that oh, oh, I want to I’m hungry. I want to learn a little more. I want to learn a little more. And then that confidence that if I need to learn something, I can learn it. My son said that one time to my husband. It was hilarious. He said he’s my husband was saying, Oh, well, eventually you’ll need to learn such and such. I don’t even remember what it was. And my son wasn’t trying to be trite. He was just saying, Well, if I need to learn it, then I’ll just learn it. And I was laughing out loud. I was like, yes, that is the theme song of a lifelong learner, right there. Yeah, it’s so beautiful, yeah, just figure it out. So it’s really something that you are just consistently hungry for, and then when you need to learn something, it’s no big deal.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 7:58
You know? It’s interesting. Like in the on the Berkman, we give the Berkman personality assessment to everybody that does our launch course, and we measure intellectual curiosity. So there are people that are born naturally curious, and others, it’s going to be have to be fostered and developed, as you were just telling that story, like, if I can reignite that spark for reading. You know, there’s this ripple effect, right? And so I have a question, What grade were you teach? So you were teaching English, What grade were you teaching?

Kami Wanous 8:30
I taught everything, but most of the time I taught sophomores.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 8:34
Okay, so I taught, I taught for eight years, and I taught every grade between seven and 12 at one point, yeah, and the older, the better for me, honestly, which so Okay, although I do love sophomores. Do you Okay? I Yeah, I Junior High was like, not my jam. But did you feel like by 10th grade, most kids had, like, lost that spark for learning

Kami Wanous 9:05
so much, so much. They’re just going through the motions. And that’s the message that we send to students when they’re in school. I’ve said it myself, is we send them the message that this is just a game. Just play the game. Just play the game. Get your paper go up, like, just, just play the game, and they don’t see the relevance in a lot of things that they’re doing, because a lot of the curriculum doesn’t make it relevant well. And, yeah, go ahead. Well, I was

Lisa Marker-Robbins 9:30
just gonna say, like, as you’re talking about, like, playing the game. It makes me think. And I get this question all the time. Now we support kids on all educational paths, but yeah, the ones that are college bound become that are teens and they’re college bound really have this attitude of like, what’s that going to get me? Is that going to get me on the campus? Is so it becomes more about getting in instead of this. Who do. I want to be, and what impact do I want to make in the world?

Kami Wanous 10:03
Yeah, they are great at playing the game. I was a great box checker. I was like, tell me what to do, and I will do it. I’m not going to put stickers on my poster boards. I’m not going to be all glittery, but I will get her done. And I’m going and that will get me what I want. Exactly that mentality. And so that is the mentality of the the the a lot of kids that are very, very college bound and know they’re going, or even know where they want to go, they’re like, I need to give me the checklist.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 10:34
Well, I I’m working with a 23 year old right now, nice, who just graduated from, from an ivy that shall remain nameless. And I said to him, when we started, what, what did you think you were going to be when you went, you know, when you were in high school and you’re like, going to college, like, what were you going to major in? What did you think you would do with it? Because I didn’t. I just wanted to get into the most prestigious school possible. And I he said, so I took all the APS and tried to get fives on my all my exams, and tried to get a good a CT score and tried to have the right resume. I said, Okay, so you land on that Ivy campus and you found people that you loved, and it was great. And I said, but what did you think then? He’s like, I just wanted an IV degree. Like, I didn’t think about it. His friends have all moved on to like and he didn’t even he did study abroad, but didn’t really get high value internships, which is a barrier to getting a job right now. And hiring is down for new graduates and his friends, most of them have moved on to jobs, and he’s back at home, living at his parents house. And honestly, he’s struggling a little bit even, like, emotionally, because he’s, like, got imposter syndrome, because everybody’s moved on. But he didn’t spark anything. He was box checking. So you, I’ve heard you say, like, it lowers the love of learning, and so how do we get kids to change their mindset? And maybe it’s the parents too. I mean, is it more the kids or the parents? Like, where does it start? Who needs to go first on, like, how do we solve this lower love of learning and correct to build lifelong learners. I guess that’s that’s my next question.

Kami Wanous 12:26
Yeah, that’s a great question, because what I teach is, I teach to create a culture. I teach parents how to make a culture. And really, that’s the key. So if we don’t change the messages that we’re sending to students, the message that we send to students on a traditional education is do the things that you need to do to check your boxes, and then you’ll get to the college and then check your boxes there, and then you’ll get a good job somewhere. But that’s not necessarily how life works right now. Like you just said,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 12:54
really not working that way anymore. Yeah.

Kami Wanous 12:57
So we have to change the messages that we’re sending and the message of lifelong learning is that learning happens everywhere, all the time. So what happens with when we have traditional education is we have there’s all these things that we’re supposed to learn, these subjects, these skills, and they’re important according to society and adults, and for most kids, they’re pretty boring. Maybe I’m not very good at it, whatever. I’m just going to do it. And for this is the stuff they like to learn on the other side of the spectrum, and it’s so a lot of times it’s not important to adults in society. Yeah, and it’s not going to be the college thing necessarily, and but it’s great, and I love it, and I’m passionate and I’m interested. And so in order to become a lifelong learner, we have to bridge that gap. We have to take those two things, say, Guess what? This stuff is cool, too. The other side, the traditional that’s amazing, but we have to bridge the gap between the two. And it starts with how we send the messages about what we’re doing and why we’re doing

Lisa Marker-Robbins 14:01
it. Okay, I love this. You know? It makes me think of I use this comment all the time because kids will say, like, well, I can’t do that job someday. Like, I don’t know how to do that. I’m like, Why do you think we go to school or get trained? Like we’re just trying to find the thing to do, then we’re gonna go get the training Right, right? What I’ve seen over time is passion increases as proficiency increases. Yes, absolutely. And so that’s kind of what came to mind, as you’re talking about, like bridging the gap, because they have these things over here that they’re really passionate about, and there are things over here that are being told they need to be proficient in. So how do we bridge that gap? And instead of going know that as we gain proficiency on either side of that coin, passion and excitement can increase, it doesn’t mean that you’re going to love everything, but don’t, yeah, don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater on this

Kami Wanous 14:57
one. Yeah. And even if you’re in traditional education. And you and you can’t go any you can’t homeschool or do anything else. It’s you can still work with your teachers, and you can still say, Okay, this is what we’re trying to achieve. How can we best do that? How can we incorporate this passion into this assignment, or whatever the case? And some teachers you’re not going to have luck with, but some times you are, and they’ll be willing to work with you in that arena. Because something I used to teach when I was in the classroom is I found project based learning, and I was like, money. This is money. This is exactly what combines the passion with the with their interests, with the academic, with everything. And guess what? It’s how our brains work anyway, yes, our brains work on a goal oriented system. So we, I

Lisa Marker-Robbins 15:44
want you to stop for a second explain to like, if we’ve got a parent listening, whose kid is traditionally schooled, mine were and there project based learning. What are you talking about?

Kami Wanous 15:58
Great question. Project Based Learning actually takes a so let’s say your kids are really into skateboarding, so maybe they your town doesn’t have a skate park, and they want to build a skate park. Now I know very little about skateboarding, so this possibly is a bad metaphor, but it

Lisa Marker-Robbins 16:14
don’t see us hate mail over

Kami Wanous 16:17
this exactly, but the but if they so, we want to build a skate park. Well, what do we have to do to build a skate park? We need to know about civics. We need to know about how our our city ordinances work, how planning, city planning. We need to know how to get something approved. We need to know construction materials, construction processes. We need to know how to then we need to know the physics of the moves, the tricks that they do, and then how that relates to the construction process that needs to happen, and the juice in the history of all of that, that is project based

Lisa Marker-Robbins 16:57
learning. And when your kid gets an assignment in a traditional class. Yeah, go. How do I turn my loves into this project? But it’s not always gonna work.

Kami Wanous 17:09
No, it’s not always gonna work. It might work more in the humanities sector, in the English history kind of stuff. But if not, if you can’t figure it out, do it on your own. First of all, it looks really great for colleges and careers if you did some pro and it doesn’t have to be that big, doesn’t have to be a build, build a skate park kind of thing. But what about like putting an informational sign up? Think Eagle project, you know, scouting Eagle project like putting an informational sign up at a park for, you know, for all the wildlife that’s there, or something like that, that’s a project where you’re you’re outside of your house, you’re outside of a school, your community oriented. And now we’re bringing in all these things. Your kids will learn way more because they’re passionate about it, and they will also be tying in some of the things that they learned in the traditional education as well. So hopefully

Lisa Marker-Robbins 18:03
everybody’s here. Like, it doesn’t matter if you’re a home school, traditionally school, and I agree with you, like, we cultivate a culture of real world, real world experiences with the people in our launch course. Like, that’s what we preach, right? So we we build the self awareness about ourselves, then we connect it to career awareness, but then we got to go test we got to validate in the real world. And these projects that you’re talking about, they’re, they’re perfect for this, right? I absolutely love what you’re preaching, because it helps us validate the careers that should be the goal of the end in mind piece where we reverse engineer it.

Kami Wanous 18:45
Yeah, you get to test it out, right? Do I like doing this? Is this something that’s interesting to me? Oh, wait, people that do work with parks, they don’t actually make a lot of money. Does that something that I’m willing to do? I don’t know,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 18:57
right? We get into values as we’re building the self awareness. So, like, if somebody’s listening and they’re like, oh, this, this does sound important. Like, why is it important? Because some people might be going, okay, okay, I hear this lifelong learning is good. It will help with extracurriculars. It might help with school. But, like, why should people take this seriously?

Kami Wanous 19:22
Oh my gosh, is the best question. I love this because this is exactly what I was talking about with my high my teen home school students earlier last week, and I said, Okay, if you don’t do your passion and do what’s yours to do in the world, what it how does that affect people? And whatever your passion is, and that’s the point. Is, lifelong learners are leaders. They develop into leaders, right? Normally? So I should say it backwards, actually. So leaders, true. Leaders are lifelong learners. And. And so we have to think about if we’re going to set our kids up for success in anything they want to do, which is always what I get from parents when I ask them what their vision is for their kids when they’re 25 or whatever the case, right? So that is something I want them to just be be prepared for whatever they want to do in the future. Okay, well, the best way you can do that is to have them become lifelong learners, because then, if they choose leadership, they’re on their way. If they choose that passion in the world, this is what our world needs. Our world needs people to go out and live. What’s theirs to do, to help people, to help society,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 20:42
like wire over here, as you know,

Kami Wanous 20:44
and if we don’t have that, what happens? Not only are we cheating our kids out of a beautiful, wonderful, fulfilled life, fulfillment, but we’re also cheating the world from their gifts and their talents and their their passions, yeah,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 21:02
it’s the ripple effect, right? I think Gen Z, they’re just they are poised to correct some of the cluster that we are all living in right now. I don’t care what your political beliefs are. I don’t care where you land on all the things like Gen Z, like you’re the solution, right? But you have to understand yourself in the greater purpose that you have in this world. And so that’s what gets me really excited about getting kids aligned with the being the solution to what could be greater for us. But when I talk to parents over and over and over, what do they tell me? I just want my kid to be happy. I don’t want them living I mean, this kid I just use as the example, who’s back at home like that’s nobody’s dream. It’s nobody’s dream that after graduation, given a little bit of appropriate time, that their kids still in their house, the parents carrying the burden and the weight of like, how do I help them launch? And you’re even financially, still carrying that weight. Parents just want happy kids, and so there is happiness and joy that comes out of this. What you’re what you’re talking about here. So I have a question, if a parent’s listening and they’re like, What would be an indicator, a symptom of the fact that my kid is not engaged, not I mean, you might be going like, Ah, maybe my kid’s a lifelong learner, I don’t know. Like, you’ve told us why it’s important to reignite it. You told us, like, you know, box checking doesn’t work. I have parents on the fence, and they’re like, I don’t know if my kid isn’t or or is. What’s the symptom?

Kami Wanous 22:50
Well, I There are a lot of symptoms, but I want to definitely address the happy thing, because this is something I hear a lot too. Okay? I hear it all the time, and I say, Well, okay, well, you I can be very happy, like eating chocolate, watching rom com, like I can be very happy for a short period

Speaker 1 23:10
of time, sitting on my desk, right? That’s the chocolate that I eat. No way is it really?

Speaker 2 23:15
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Unknown Speaker 23:20
It’s a mess, but I feel we’re talking

Kami Wanous 23:22
about what they really mean. I hope is fulfillment. They want happy kids. It is on the inside and so and sustaining for the long term. So when you think about that, and you think about your kids when they’re all out of college and in whatever that time may be, yep, what what kind of person are they? What do they know about the world? What kind of skills do they have? These are the three questions I ask parents all the time that would tell you the details of what a happy kid is. Also as far as love of learning goes. So when you have a lot of complaining, frustration, when there’s rolling of the eyes and any I mean, we have teenagers, so point, yeah, but

Unknown Speaker 24:13
we’ll get some role, yeah, when it relates, when

Kami Wanous 24:19
it relates to learning, is what I’m talking about you. You know, you have low love of learning. If you’re frustrated, they’re frustrated, you get ah, you know, every time you talk, you say the word school. I actually don’t use the word school because I don’t like it, but the but if you have kids that are curious, like, oh, you know what I just learned about, check out this article I just read mom, well, Oh,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 24:45
that reminds me, like it’s shifting.

Kami Wanous 24:49
Hey, can we go? Can we make Can we go out? And I really was thinking about building a ramp in the backyard. Like, can we do that? Like, I really, you know, those kinds of things. Or, gosh, you know that that cut in our if we’re talking about teens, which we are teens and higher, we’re really looking at the two hour when you have a lifelong learner, I have like two hour conversations with my son on the regular about we start off with, like, a current event or something that happened in our lives, and then we go to human nature, we go to history, we go to economics, we go to all the things that we’re learning about psychology, you know, all of these things, and it all comes together. Oh, that reminds me of this book. Let me go grab it. Oh, and my son’s really good. I’m not good at that, but he could grab the book that it can’t one page, and know what page it’s on, and feel it’s right here, it’s right, see what they say, and just that kind of curiosity, that kind of interest. I mean, it might not be as passionate as that all the time, but honestly, it’s crazy when they learn that they’re in, you know, they’re reading a history book on their own. They’re reading a math book not start to

Lisa Marker-Robbins 26:04
like, I’ve seen college admission essays that ask, what’s a topic that you can get lost in, and that’s really like, that aligns with what you’re talking about right now. Really like, what is the thing that you go down the rabbit hole, and you come up for air two hours later, and you’re like, what? And I’m not talking about scrolling on Tiktok or Instagram

Kami Wanous 26:27
reels. Good distinction. Yeah.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 26:31
But could your kid write an essay about something like that that they just get lost in? And I also, from a career advising standpoint, say, like that doesn’t have to be the thing that you do for a living, right? Yes, because I think sometimes when we say, find your passion, follow your passion, it’s a bold faced lie. It is not, it does not serve anybody, because it is pressure filled that there’s this one passion. Passions shift and change over time.

Kami Wanous 26:58
Well, Chris Brady says in the book pales, P, a, i, L, S, pales, that’s book I’m teaching to my to my homeschool kids right now. And he talks about the stages like a like a pyramid. There’s stages and preparatory experiences, which is what they’re in right now, don’t always have to do specifically with what their main purpose is at the top, but it’s teaching them things that they’re going to

Lisa Marker-Robbins 27:26
use for that. Well, I call those through lines. I always say, if we, if I take somebody, if I take, like my 27 year old, and we could go back and we could discover, yes, through line. I mean, I’m as his mom know them, but if he were a stranger, we could have a conversation, and in 1015, minutes, I would be able to discover the through lines. Because what this is what I do, right? I love it. I love it like there’s so much at risk if we don’t get this right. So there is, you know, as you’re talking about this, my husband’s gonna kill me for this part of the podcast. So nobody tell him that I just share this story. Okay, so it you’re talking about like you’re culturally creating something that is fostering curiosity, right? So this whole idea of intellectual curiosity, colleges are going to ask about it on their apps as well. So my husband, we had some suspected sleep apnea going on, so my poor family hates me, I’m pretty sure underneath the surface, when they act like they like me. And we did a sleep study, and then we got the results, and we met with someone, and he’s struggling to get the CPAP working, but he’s making progress. But I got really curious. In our launch live Q A that we do monthly, I told this story about how to get curious about careers, and I went through all of the different career buckets related to sleep disorders from the technicians. There are SLEEP DISORDER certifications that the technicians that run the overnight sleep studies do, right? Yeah, there’s the people who and I forget I made a list of all the things one time, and if somebody wants the list, email me and I’ll give you the list of all the jobs. But then, like, who’s looking at the data, then the nurse practitioner who’s trained in sleep disorders is meeting with us, and then there’s a whole nother industry for the biomedical engineers who develop the machines, right? And then you’ve got the people who are selling and fitting the devices. I mean, it’s amazing. You can take any topic. I did this when we were on a recent cruise with my family. We went from Boston to Quebec City. And I was thinking about, like, all the different jobs on the ship, and we they had, like the the captain of the ship, they did a Q and A with him, and I think the chief engineer. But like their their career path, how did they get there, and what is their life like? So is creating this. Culture of conversation,

Kami Wanous 30:01
yes, and that’s Learning Everywhere, or learning. Learning happens everywhere all the time. No matter wherever you go. You’re looking, you’re you’re just curious about what that’s happening. I mean, that’s whenever we’re leaving our house. There’s always learning that’s happening. Look at what’s happening over there, with the with the grapevines. I live in the Napa Valley area, and so what? Oh, look at that. Look what’s happening this. You know, the Yep, and now they’re doing this, and we’re learning about it. Just from driving down the road we go to and any vacation, we’re learning about stuff. And so that contributes to the curiosity of what’s happening. And it doesn’t always, it’s not like a quiz. Oh, gosh, please don’t make it a quiz so you

Speaker 3 30:42
know, yeah, oh, you’ll feel the love of learning.

Kami Wanous 30:47
How many professions do you think are on this cruise ship? They see right through that,

Unknown Speaker 30:55
like eye roll,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 30:58
the idea of natural conversations. Like in our newsletter, every week, we give a conversation, we give a conversation cue for a family to use to just go deeper on a topic, right? It is. I was Rick Clark. He used to be Director of Admissions at Georgia Tech, and now he’s in a different enrollment job that they created for him last year. I forget the name of it, but he and Brendan Bernard wrote a great book to help guide your family’s college search, right? And I had Rick on the podcast back in April, and I said, you know, the thing that we’re really aligned on is this is all accomplished through conversation with the family. And I really think Kami like, that’s what you’re advocating for, and you get more influence and control over it if you’re a homeschooler. But it’s not lost with that opportunity if you’re in traditional school.

Kami Wanous 31:50
Yeah, and it definitely starts with that, usually from parental sharing. So like, you know, hey, guess what I learned today? Guess? Uh oh. Well, you know what I think is fascinating about this is, you know, this book, or whatever the case, and then you, then you’ll, you, you get them teased, and they’ll, because they have opinions, and they do like to share

Lisa Marker-Robbins 32:11
them all the time. I hate to tell you all they have a really strong opinion still when they’re adults. So Well, Kami , this has been fantastic. So if families, particularly homeschool families, want to learn more about the freedom scholar and the support that you give for families, what’s the best way to do that?

Kami Wanous 32:32
Well, I would love to offer up my love of learning launch pad for your audience, and that is a like, really short quiz on giving you a complete snapshot of where your family’s love of learning is right now. So it’s really just a moment in time of how we doing, and it’s gonna show you some things that your kids do and some things that you do or don’t do, and where you where you it gives you an indication for where you should be headed. And then it also gives you some results about what’s next for you too. So definitely check that out. And then

Speaker 4 33:07
also, I’ll link it in the show notes. We’ll get it in the show notes, yes, for sure.

Kami Wanous 33:11
And then if you have questions, I love chatting with parents. I know Lisa loves this too, but I love chatting with parents. I love seeing where you’re at and where you want to go. So if you’re in the homeschooling realm, or you’re thinking about homeschooling, and no matter where you’re at in the journey, for sure, reach out to me. You can, you can DM me, or there’s an opportunity to get in touch with me in through the quiz as well. But you can DM me on social, the freedom scholar on Instagram, Kami Wanous, the freedom scholar on Facebook as well, and I’m really easy to get hold of, so I just love, yeah,

Lisa Marker-Robbins 33:48
the quiz makes sense for like, Could, could somebody who’s a traditional schooler Take the quiz and then if they’re like, I don’t need to hear about the homeschooling stuff, they can just opt out if they 100% okay, so the quiz is good for everybody. People, everybody, okay, you got, I had to have Kami on. We’re so aligned in this like, let’s get curious. Let’s begin with the end of mine. Let’s be lifelong learning, development, career development, all the things, Kami, thanks for making time.

Kami Wanous 34:21
Man, what a great conversation we had today. Thank you. Thank you.

Lisa Marker-Robbins 34:30
If listening today made you realize that lifelong learning and curiosity aren’t just a nice to have, but essential for launching a young adult who can adapt, grow and thrive, you’re already thinking in the right direction. The next step is understanding where your child actually is in their own career development journey, not where you maybe hope they are, or not where their grades and activities might suggest they are. That’s why I created our free career planning readiness quiz. In just a few minutes, you’ll get a. Clear picture of what stage your teen or young adult is in right now, and the most important next step to help them build confidence and momentum, you’ll find the link in the show notes or at Laura’s coaching co com forward slash quiz. And if you’re a homeschooling family, Kami has fantastic tools to help build the learning culture that we talked about today. Be sure to check out her resources through the links in our show notes. When your young person has clarity, confidence will follow. Thanks for joining me today. I’ll see you again soon.