#073 Mind your Mindset while Parenting Teens with Megan Hyatt Miller Transcript


Lisa Marker Robbins 00:33

Parents, in your mind and in the mind of your team, a narrator lives as constantly creating stories to help you understand your experiences. But what if those stories aren’t true? What if those stories are holding you back in your work, your relationships, and even in your parenting? My guest Megan Hyatt Miller has co authored a book with her business partner and Father Michael Hyatt, where they draw upon the latest insights from performance psychology, neuroscience, and cognitive science to help us all rewrite stories beyond what we currently think is possible. Can you imagine the impact on not only you, but your entire family? If you could write a better story? Megan and I are both moms of five, including two bonus kids. So I’m especially excited for Megan to share the steps for minding your mindset while parenting your teen. I’m Lisa marker Robbins and I want to welcome you to College and Career Clarity, a flourish coaching production. Let’s dive right in to a great conversation. Megan, welcome.

Megan Hyatt Miller 01:44

Hey, Lisa, thanks so much for having me. I’m so happy to be here with you.

Lisa Marker Robbins 01:48

I am too and in probably before we get to the content, we should tell everybody how we know each other.

Megan Hyatt Miller 01:53

Yes, we do. So we in addition to having all kinds of stuff in common personally, we also have a professional relationship. And that is that you are one of our coaches, our executive coaches in our coaching program here at full focus. So our company, the company that I own with my dad is called full focus and business accelerator is our coaching program for small business owners. And we really help small business owners go from being overwhelmed feeling like firefighters just sucked into the day to day of running their business to you know, leveraging their own strengths and talents to be more effective and how they’re working so that they can achieve more by doing less free up margin, and really fall in love with their business again, so that they can have a life outside of work that they love as much as the business that they’re growing. So you are one of our coaches that are working with our clients, helping them achieve that double win winning at work and succeeding at life. And so we get to hang out in that arena, which is awesome

Lisa Marker Robbins 02:52

thing, it’s some of the most fun that I have every week when I get to meet with our clients that this is a gal writer. So I’m thrilled for the opportunity to business coach over there. And you and I are both in a way coaching the teens in our household, as well as the teens that I’m serving through flourish coaching. I was so excited back in December. So we’re recording this in May. And it’s gonna go live in June when we the week that we get to see each other again in June, yes. But in back in December, your dad in you before your book was even published mind your mindset. You guys share the insights with those of us in business accelerator. And while many of those principles we know, I love how it just got packaged in a way to challenge the stories that we’re telling ourselves, and I’m sure I was sitting there thinking of our clients or that we’re coaching, executive coaching. But then I just kept thinking of my own kids. Yeah,

Megan Hyatt Miller 03:55

yeah. Well, as you said, I’m a mom of five kids. So I have two bonus kids who are 22 and 20. And then my husband, Joel, and I have adopted three children together who are just about to be 15 and 13. And then we have a four year old. So we’re really doing all the stages. At the same time. We jokingly say we must just want to be parents literally forever, because that’s the track that we’re on. And you know, it’s so fascinating because my dad, now we’re writing this book, one of the things that we had to do is really go back in our thinking and think about when we start thinking about our mindset and being intentional about our thinking and the relationship between our thinking and the results that we’re getting, for example, with the goals that we set out to achieve or businesses or whatever. And, you know, the reality is probably for me it was high school. And I think about how much even more valuable it would have been. If I could have learned this stuff when I was younger and just how critical your thinking is. This is one of the most invisible and powerful forces in Our ongoing success in life that there is, but most of us never learned anything about this in school. So what I love about this book is that it’s really not just for people who are professionals, though certainly the application in the world of business is huge. But it’s also for parents and I have used it so much in my own parenting. I’ll just tell you kind of a quick story. get us started here. So one of my children and my fourth child, Jonah, is learning to play golf, and I’m not a golfer, my dad is a golfer, my husband doesn’t golf, but he’s decided he loves golf, you know. And so one of the interesting things about golf is that it’s hard, you know, it’s part of why it’s fun is that it’s hard. And so he started taking these lessons. And he was doing these little clinics where he’s learning like one discrete skill, you know, at a time he’s doing putting, he’s doing whatever, you know, saves all kinds of silly things Mikey talking about because I don’t know that anyway, you know, pick him up one day, and he’s finally gotten to play nine holes. And so like, he’s gonna play his first kind of game, so to speak, and it gets in the car, you know, as a parent, you can tell by their body language, like when you pick them up from school. How that Yeah, well, he’s looking down and shoulders are slumped, he’s kind of shuffling and it gets in the car. And I said, Hey, how did it go, you know? And he goes, Oh, it was terrible, mom. I said, What do you mean, it was terrible. Tell me what happened. And he was, every time I hit the ball, it just went totally the opposite direction that I wanted it to go. And I was like, oh, man, that stinks. And he said, Yeah, Mom, I’m just terrible at golf. Can I please quit? And my little Spidey coach, Mom sense, you know, kind of got tickled. And I was like, Okay, here we go. And I said, Well, what if you’re just learning? I mean, that’s the first time you’ve ever played nine holes, you’ve had to put all the skills you’ve been learning, I had to put them all together. And like, of course, it wouldn’t have gone perfectly well, because, you know, you’re just learning. And he was like, yeah, just want to quit, though. And I was like, Yeah, but what if you just thought about it, like, you were just learning and like, that was what was supposed to happen? You’re supposed to make mistakes? And he was like, Yeah. And I said, Well, what do you think? What kind of golfer would you be? If you thought, you know, you were supposed to get it perfect? And you know, you did? And he goes, Well, I probably would just quit. And I said, Well, what kind of golfer would you be if you quit? I’d be a terrible golfer, because I wouldn’t be a golfer at all. And I said, Well, if you told yourself, you were just learning, and then you went back, and you really paid attention to your coach, and you know, the next time the next time, what kind of golfer do you think you’d be? And he said, Well, I think I would be a great golfer because I would have really learned and practiced and all that kind of stuff. And I said, exactly. So what choice do you want to make? And he said, Well, I guess I won’t give up. I guess I’ll just go back and, you know, keep working on it. I was like, absolutely. So I think that’s kind of an example of how this relationship between our thinking, and the actions we take, because his parents, I mean, you know, I’ll just betray myself right here. I’ve always all about telling my kids, what do they need to do differently, you know, like, get your shoes off the kitchen floor, and don’t put them in the basket about the back door, you know, like, like it like when you walk in the door, just put him in the basket. But the reality is, the problem is not the behavior. The problem is the thinking because the thinking is actually driving the behavior. So if we can coach our kids, to externalize their thinking, and go through the steps we talked about in the book, they can have a totally different experience of what tools in their toolbox to drive their success later in

Lisa Marker Robbins 08:15

life. I love all of that. I love the story. It’s a perfect illustration. And I, you know, at the beginning, you said, Gosh, I wish I would have had this. Yeah, no, I think back to I was in high school in the 80s, and probably in the 90s. And it’s like, we things weren’t as hard. I really believe life is harder for our teenagers right now than it was and when we can go it look back and go, I could completely have benefited from this, how much more? Can our teens who have all the other things that they’re dealing with now in this modern age, deal with it, you know, it would just set them up for success?

Megan Hyatt Miller 08:57

It really would. And I think that the big idea that our kids need to learn and honestly, as adults, we need to learn because again, no one told us is I don’t care if you went to business school, or you have a PhD, or whatever no one has told you this, I can almost guarantee is that there’s what happens, the true facts of our life. And those are things that could be observed in a police report or medical report. They’re just kind of like dry facts. And then because our brain loves to make sense of things, it’s like that it doesn’t just love it. That is its, you know, purpose of existence is to make sense of of what we’re experiencing so that it can keep us safe. It’s going to tell us a story about the facts. What did the facts mean? What does it mean that, you know, I was at an eighth grade blessing for one of my sons this morning end of the year thing, you know, what does it mean that when you were up there giving a blessing, that teacher that was talking to you didn’t look you in the eye? Well, I mean, that could just mean that he was nervous, or you could tell yourself that it meant he really doesn’t like you and doesn’t believe what he’s saying. And the outcome of what Ever that when you think about that story, that outcome on your behavior, how you’re going to react, if you think he doesn’t like me, it must be because he doesn’t think I’m a good student, and maybe I shouldn’t try it. That’s a whole snowball of behavior that leads to certain results. Versus if you just said, Oh, maybe he was nervous, you know. And so I think this idea that there’s what happens, and then there’s what our brain tells us, it means or what we say about what happens, if we can learn to separate those things. And realize, while certainly, we don’t have a whole lot of control over the facts, I mean, they’ve already in the past, by the time we’re analyzing it, what we can do is even though our brains gonna throw up a narrative that may or may not be helpful or empowering to us, we can actually intentionally tell the story, once we become aware of this, and really change the course of our behavior, and ultimately, the results that we’re getting in our life as a result of

Lisa Marker Robbins 10:47

that. Well, you know, you say, you share this, and I’m thinking, here’s what I’m thinking, you’re sharing all that I heard, you know, your son creating a false narrative for himself, right? And then that example of like, what if the teacher didn’t look in, it’s just, they’re simply busy, or they’ve got a whole classroom to do. And I’m thinking as a mom, even. And as a wife, I often go, you know, we’re empty nesters. Now, our kids are 21 to 31. But, you know, oh, my kid didn’t text me back. Because right, you know, kids in their 20s don’t always get bonus kids or Yes, all right, kids. And it’s, I always take it as a compliment. When my bonus kids treat me just the same way my kids treat me, oh, we’ve done a good job. They’re treating me just like they would treat that’s a

Megan Hyatt Miller 11:39

very empowering mindset. Lisa, well done.

Lisa Marker Robbins 11:42

Thank you. I had to learn that mindset. So when the kids don’t fall in line, or the husband doesn’t, you know, he sent me home at five and I started dinner or whatever. I even tend to go like, Oh, well, they you know, they just don’t respect my time, or they’re upset with me. And the fact is, all they didn’t do is reply to a text. Right? And that’s a fact. It really, and it’s probably something that has absolutely nothing to do with me or my relationship with them. Right.

Megan Hyatt Miller 12:14

Right. Exactly. And I think that’s where it’s so valuable, because we take action based on what we think if you think your husband doesn’t care about you, because he was, you know, half an hour late. And you don’t really know the explanation for that. And from a factual basis, that’s going to change how you when he finally walks in the door, how you respond to him, which is going to ultimately over time, affect your marriage, and so on, and so forth. And so I think this relationship between facts and stories is so helpful, you know, we talked about in mind, your mindset, three steps of this process to really take control of your thoughts and harness the power of them for good, because it’s important to say, your brain is always going to pop up something negative, or, you know, just otherwise safety oriented. So remember, our brains are all about keep us safe, let’s use the past to predict the future. It’s all about risk management for your brain, which is not always in your best interest. Sometimes it is, you know, if you’re like being chased by a tiger, but if your husband’s late, and there’s no reasonable explanation for why that is, and you come up with something wild, and that causes you to scream out, and when it comes in the door, maybe not so helpful, you know. And so what we ask people to do in mind, your mindset is, first of all, to identify the story that you’re telling. So you’re really just looking at, okay, there is a story here, what is the story because my brain is always coming up with these narratives. We call it the narrator in the book that you had, like you said, In the beginning, you know, we have this little character in our head that is narrating constantly the events of our life, what is he or she saying to you, then you go on to step two. And really, step one is all about developing yourself awareness, because this stuff is mostly operating in the background of our mind, we’re not even conscious that it’s happening until we develop the skill to identify, then we want to interrogate it. And this is like what I did for my son, Jonah in the car after the golf scramble that he participated in, it didn’t go so well. We can do this for ourself. A great coach like you, Lisa can do this for their clients, a parent can do this for a child. But you basically want to say, is that the only explanation? What else could be true? What might somebody else, you know, you’re talking to, you know, like, if you have a middle school kid or high school kid, and they’re apt to think, you know, these kind of hyperbolic moments that everybody hates me, or, you know, she did this because of that, you know, it’s like, if somebody else walked into that situation, how might they interpret those facts? And what I often do with my own clients, with my own kids is I’ll literally get two columns next to each other, and I’ll put one column of the facts. And the other column, I’ll put the story that I’m telling about the facts, and it just kind of helps your brain to separate the connective tissue between the facts and the fiction, so to speak, because at that point, you can ask Is this story helping me is part of the interrogation process? Is the story helping me? If I am Jonah, and I’m the golfer who hit the ball all over the place and know where I wanted it to go? If I assume that I’m just a bad golfer, is that ultimately going to help me? Or is that going to hurt me, and then you go to step three, after you know, identify, interrogate, then you go to imagine, and you want to imagine a better story, because the first story that pops into your mind, thank goodness doesn’t have to be the one that you stick with. It’s just your, your brain’s kind of automatic response. And so you could come up with something better, like in a golf example, oh, you know, the ball went all over the place. But that’s okay. Because I’m just learning it was my very first scramble that I ever played, that your brain will accept, if you practice it, it’s like training a little puppy, we have a new puppy in our house. And I’m constantly like, you know, I don’t know what I was thinking, I was like five kids is just not enough. We must need a puppy. So that’s what we did. But like a puppy, we can train our brain to adopt these more empowering stories, but we have to practice it. And that’s why you’ve got to go through these steps of identify, interrogate, and then imagine a better story. And then you just practice it over and over again, when it comes up.

Lisa Marker Robbins 16:11

Well, I’m gonna go back to the interrogate for a second. Because so one of the things I do in my weekly newsletter where I share the podcast episode, I also get the conversation to use with your teen so of that, that you’re curating a weekly conversation. And because I’m a college major and career coach, as it relates to my work with families, then we’re really trying to go after like, what’s driving them, what’s going to align with their values are hardwired personality through the burden assessment, all of that. But as we’re doing it, I regularly remind parents, if you have a declaration, or a statement that you want to make, please get in the habit of rewarding it as a question. Oh, yeah,

Megan Hyatt Miller 16:59

I love that.

Lisa Marker Robbins 17:01

I lie. You know, I go back to and I lean into this Berkman assessment, and I took mine back in 2008. And then in 2010, I started using it with the teens to try to get at the heart of the college major and career coaching. You know, it goes ahead and it measures all these behaviors that we have. And I discovered, gosh, Lisa, you’re more assertive than you would have self described. And you also have received feedback that you are candid in you more directive. And I at the time, I asked myself, like, how can I do better with that? So I really, that was something I developed back then was slipping statements into questions, because I got a threatening, but I mean, you’re already doing it, Megan, that’s exactly what you did with your son. I’m like, Yeah, you just started asking really great questions.

Megan Hyatt Miller 17:51

Yeah. And I think as our kids get older, and I mean, you’re more of the expert at this than I am because your kids are even older than mine. You really shift from being, you know, the parent, like we think of it when our kids are younger, to a coach, I mean, that really our best case scenario with our young adult and adult children is that, you know, if we’re privileged to have that relationship, that is one of coaching and a great coach doesn’t always just give you the answer, sometimes they do. But they also lead you to ask great questions, and they help you see your life and your circumstances, from a different perspective. I mean, I think about my own parents, who I’m very close with, obviously, you know, at this point in my life, and I, one of the things you talk about a mind, your mindset is how there’s sometimes our thoughts that you just can’t think, on your own, you need somebody outside of yourself, to basically help you interrogate your stories, so that you can access a better story, because sometimes for our kids, and this is developmentally appropriate, they just see things more black and white. And we know as adults, you know, in our 40s, and 50s. And beyond, you know, we’ve let a lot of that go, because that’s not really how life works. And we can give that to our kids and ask the kind of questions that are going to expand their thinking, make it more elastic, and what an amazing skill set for our kids, if they can just learn to not believe everything they think, as fact, it’s going to help them in their relationships. I mean, I just think about my own marriage, how many of our marital conflicts are the result of thinking we’re right? And it’s like, it’s not right or wrong. It’s just our opinion, you know? And the same thing as we think about our work if we can give our kids the gift of being able to identify their thinking, interrogate it, and then take control of it by really being intentional about what do I What stories do I want to tell that are ultimately going to lead to the results that I want? I mean, that’s an incredible gift for our kids and for ourselves to

Lisa Marker Robbins 19:45

that really is, you know, I think back when my kids were teenagers, I used to before I would decide if I wanted to die on a hill or not. Sometimes as parents we do have to die on we have to decide In which ones to let go? And I would project out I would think, okay, should this be a hill to die on? And if it is, how are we going to go about this? And I would project out and say, What do I want that relationship to look like when they get to be 25? I don’t know why I chose 25. It’s funny, it was this arbitrary number, but probably because I’ve always known that frontal lobe finally is now left by the Holy

Megan Hyatt Miller 20:24

Grail that we’re hanging on for.

Lisa Marker Robbins 20:27

Amen. So I guess I probably subconsciously knew that. And I chose 25. And my oldest of my three biological kids just turned 25 Last month, and it struck me and there were many times I wasn’t a great interrogator, when he was in middle school in early high school. These were times that I was developing my coaching skills. Yeah. And I was working on toning down that assertiveness. So poor kid, Trent, he’s my, he was my guinea pig. But as he that is, I got better parenting and coaching and interrogating and a coaching way. And in asking more questions and making statements, it got better. And as we hit 25, last month, I just struck me like, Ah, I was chose 25. And here we are, and I really liked the relationship I have with him. Right that?

Megan Hyatt Miller 21:22

Well, I think one of the things that you’re really describing is a relationship of mutual respect, you know, and I think those of us who are who are parents of children who are a little bit younger than that we’re not quite at at the holy grail of 2030. Yet, we’re a little bit behind that, you know, I think the what I love about thinking about parenting, like coaching, and I do not do this perfectly, I mean, I have great moments like the one I told you about with Jonah, and then I have moments where, you know, I’ll lose my temper, at least in my own mind, and my husband will be like, it’s okay, there. He’s an adult, like, just, you know, another kid that we have, you just let him make his mistakes. But there’s so much respect that you communicate to somebody when you coach, as opposed to try to control. And when we’re, it’s like, we’re really trying to build these thinking skills so that they can be independent, so they can make great decisions without us, you know, and part of what we all have to contend with, as decision makers as adults is overcoming that kind of automatic response that we have. That’s just the knee jerk response, that might not be the most thoughtful decision, we might not think it all the way through, we might make it for the wrong reasons. And if we can teach our kids how to think about their thinking, and objectify it as something outside of themselves, then they can make better decisions. And ultimately, the stories that are running their life are conscious instead of unconscious. And I think a lot of us, myself included, have put in some time in therapy to get clear on what are the unconscious stories that are running my life that I need to change, because they’re not working? Well for me, and we could save our kids a lot of pain by teaching them this in advance. I think we also

Lisa Marker Robbins 22:58

make our kids more confident and brave. Yeah. So inside the my launch Career Clarity course with the teens, where the outcome is for the team to be able to identify the major and the career that aligns with them and where they’re gonna thrive. But we’re also supporting parents because we’re worried about these things for our kids, right? Sure. And so in there, we’re having kids research and curate experiences around careers. And I see kids like they can get to the point where okay, we do everything in pillar one which is know yourself, they take their Berkman they get to know themselves they do the our values exercise. The first part of pillar two on no careers is they get their aligned career list and they start just investigating online doing research. And then we have to start building a network asking job shadows, applying for internships, connecting with people on LinkedIn. And that’s where all of the sudden, they get afraid. And it might be different than the golf game or other things. But I’ll have kids all the time go like it feels weird to reach out to a stranger or what are they going to think or? Or if they see that I was on their LinkedIn page, are they going to think I’m stalking them? And then we go ahead and we interrogate that, like you’re making assumptions. And those of us who are adults that love what we do, we are more than happy to talk about our jobs with a kid who may be considering it. And, and what I find as when they and I haven’t really used the words in their framework that you just gave, but I’m going to start inside the life support portion of this course. Because as they interrogate that, I need kids to get brave if they’re gonna make decisions. They’ve got to get brave. They’ve got to take risks. You know, at business accelerator, you and I teach your dads smarter framework for goal setting and a component of a good goal is it’s risky. So when we’re doing good things, we are going to be scared, it is gonna feel like risk. But let’s interrogate those stories. So we can be brave, because great things are on the other side of that.

Megan Hyatt Miller 25:17

I think that’s such a great point. Because, you know, one of the things that I hear parents with kids my age talking about a lot, is how do we raise kids that are resilient? You know, how do we raise kids that are able, and we live in a challenging, complicated time? I mean, this is not, you know, we were talking about going to high school in the 80s. And the 90s. My husband, I were talking about this the other day, in the 90s. When I was in high school, I graduated in 1998. Now, that’s a pretty calm period, all things being equal, like there, it wasn’t a super tumultuous period. You compare that with what our high school kids are going through right now, or are college kids totally different, like everything in the world, from the economy, to politics to fate to everything is just up ended? And so how do we have kids that can navigate that, who have the internal strength, who don’t see themselves as victims, but actually see themselves as having a certain amount of power, even though there’s lots of things that can’t control and I think such a huge piece of that is being able to be aware of your thinking, and take it captive, you know, I think about us share this story in mind, your mindset, our book about this, that I used to have a debilitating fear of public speaking. And when I say debilitating, I mean, like, my life got very small, a certain point, it happened incrementally over a series of years, this fear really took root when I was in high school, so relevant to our conversation today. And now I speak all the time, like, it’s a huge part of my job, whether I’m doing a podcast like this, or I’m literally on a stage, you know, all the time, I’m speaking in some capacity or another, the way that I was able to go from, like, I literally thought I would die of anxiety, literally, to I could speak in front of, you know, 800 plus people and not be ultimately nervous when I was up there is that I got clear on the story that I was telling myself, I literally had an experience where a girl in my high school class had a panic attack while giving a presentation and ran out of the room sobbing in my brain immediately because she was a friend of mine, and I was empathetic, I immediately said, speaking is dangerous. Don’t do it avoided at all cost. Now, I wasn’t aware of this, you know, I’m like a 16 year old kid at this point. But that story took root. And it defined the actions that I took. It caused me to make all kinds of career limiting decisions along the way. And not until my team came to me about five or so years ago, a little more than that, and said, and I’m already a CEO at this point, I was not the CEO yet. But instead, you know, hey, we realize you’ve never keynoted at any of our events. Haha, isn’t that so interesting? You know, I’m like, that’s not an accident. You know, that’s. And meanwhile, they they said, We’re gonna do this event, we want you to speak, you know, it’s probably going to be like 800 people, that’ll be so great. In my mind. It’s like, All I heard was waffle cloth. Why don’t you know after that, because I was so overwhelmed. But I went through a six week process of basically going to battle with the story that I had that got lodged when I was 16 years old. And coming up with a new story about how I had a message that was worth communicating that people needed to hear what I had to say that my body was just preparing for peak performance, when those butterflies started that that would just dissipate after a few minutes, which is actually what happens, you know, I didn’t know that all those years. And I ended up you know, getting on that stage in front of 800 people. And it was fantastic. It was awesome. It was actually fun. And I’ve done it many times since. And of course, it’s you know, regular part of my job now. But I think we want our kids to be able to identify that thinking so unlike me, they don’t go through decades of anxiety before ultimately interrogating the story and imagining something better. And I think that’s ultimately the path to resilience and courage.

Lisa Marker Robbins 29:00

Ah, such great stuff. And I as we’re ending I do want to say like, what happened to you wasn’t even your story you absorb like a sponge. Yeah, I think as adults, that doesn’t happen to us quite as much like that for teens, their world. And this is part of them, you know, pushing the boundaries, trying to find their independence, so fun to navigate as a parent. It’s normal stuff, but they identify so closely with their peers that I think that’s a great story to end on. Because it reminds us that it doesn’t even have to be something that’s happened to our kids. It doesn’t even have to be their story. It can be what they’re witnessing at school, or at their part time job or in their extracurriculars. So let’s keep conversations going and be inquisitive, curious so that we can interrogate the false narrative going on, right, our kids up for something better.

Megan Hyatt Miller 30:03

That’s right. Well, we have a lot of power as parents to be powerful coaches in ways that will transform the trajectory of our kids lives. I know that I’ve been the beneficiary of that with my own parents. That’s what I’m aiming to do with my own kids. And it’s a kind of a lifetime project, but it’s a pretty cool one.

Lisa Marker Robbins 30:21

I agree. Thanks, Megan, for coming on.

Megan Hyatt Miller 30:24

Thanks for having me, Lisa. This has been so fun.

Lisa Marker Robbins 30:31

This is one topic I could talk about all day if you couldn’t tell. As a parent, you’ve likely hired numerous coaches for your kids over the years, athletics, performing arts, academic tutors, and more. Have you ever considered that you may be the most powerful coach in their life who could have the greatest impact? Normally, for your weekly college bound challenge, I provide a task for your family to do this week parent. It’s a solo assignment to work on your skills of interrogating your own stories, and using curiosity to coach your team during conversations. If you want some assistance, you can sign up for my free weekly newsletter where I provide a weekly conversation to use with your team. Just go to flourish coaching co.com forward slash newsletter, and I’ll also link to it in the show notes. I also highly recommend ordering Meghan’s book mind your mindset, which I’ll link to in the show notes and you can easily find on Amazon because all of us can work on imagining a better story for our lives. You know someone who can benefit from this episode. Why don’t you take a screenshot and share it on social media tagging flourish coaching CO and while you’re at it, I would be grateful if you’d follow in rate the show. Thank you for listening to the College and Career Clarity podcast where I help your family move from overwhelmed, confused to motivated, clear and confident about your team’s future.